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The Knights Next Door : Everyday People Living Middle Ages Dreams |
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Rating: Summary: The Knights Next Door Review: I can't remember how I stumbled upon the link to this book, but I did so before it was released and ordered it the first day it was available from the author's site.
I've been in the SCA myself for just short of two years. Many of the gentles (people) that the author mentions, especially those in the East Kingdom, I have heard of, if not had personal acquaintance with them. While I myself am not a fighter, I have experienced and am still doing so, the same garb, persona, behavior and adaption concerns. On one hand it's hard to leave the mundane world behind and immerse yourself in the SCA culture; and on the other hand, it's not so hard to disappear "into" Pennsic for two weeks. It is a fascinating and different world, and you determine how far you want to go within it. What you put into the SCA, you get out of it. If all you wish to do is party, the opportunities exist. If you wish to research and learn, the opportunities exist and there are Laurels and Pelicans, and others with no titles who are experts in all fields, who are happy to share their knowledge and direct you upon your own path.
I felt the overall story line flowed smoothly enough. Taking the story of Valharic of the Middle Kingdom, from his beginnings in the SCA all the way through his journey to become King was an excellent way to advance the story line. The author, Patraic, describes his own personal challenges in his desire to become, at the very least, an acceptable fighter, with detail and passion. I feel he captures the essence of battle quite well...the chivalry, the desire to learn, the leadership which exists, and the hunger for such battles, personal and melee.
Once I picked up the book, I found it hard to put down...I will have to say that the last "quarter" of the book did not necessarily live up to the rest of the book, but I took into consideration that the author had experienced a near fatal accident prior to completion of all his research, and therefore this is somewhat reflected in the wrap up of his story. As with the video "In Service To The Dream" I feel it does short change Arts and Sciences to a degree. But again, the author was primarily interested in fighting, and not A & S.
Overall, an excellent book and I am glad to have purchased it. I have already recommended it others within the SCA as well as to those who do not participate.
Rating: Summary: An honest appraisal of the SCA Review: I will confess that I was not certain how Mr. O'Donnell was going to end his look into the Society for Creative Anachronism which I have belonged to for three years now. He does not temper his initial assessments of we who dress funny and have strange past times on the weekends. I did find myself laughing and crying at the end, knowing exactly what his feelings were about garb and 'freaking the mundanes,' etc.
He doesn't try to hide our warts, the inconsistancies that sometimes plague our Society, but he does show why the group is one to be respected and appreciated. There may be other groups out there that are more precisely medieval, but none encourage the learn by doing and experimentation that the SCA does.
Mr. O'Donnell shows us, not only his path through the SCA, but the path of a young man who yearns to be King and the obstacles and trials that he must suffer and overcome. I will admit that I did not like the young Valharic very much, but I came to love and respect him for the growth and maturity he gained in the course of his quest for the Crown.
Unfortunately the book does not cover some aspects of the Society that those of us who are not into heavy fighting are more involved in. He hints that more may be to come, I hope that he can follow up on his initial forays and delve even deeper into our Middle Ages...the way they should have been.
Lady Linet Grey
Barony of the Steppes, Kingdom of Ansteorra
Rating: Summary: Outstanding effort, great results Review: I won't write a book to review one. :) Simply put, this is an extraordinary book that documents the SCA in very good detail.
Rating: Summary: If You Buy One Book About the SCA, this should be it Review: I've been in the SCA for thirty years. I'm sure there are going to be its share of critics, but overall, it's the best piece I've ever seen written about us, because the author immersed himself in our culture for a couple of years. While some of the stuff isn't totally accurate, it's far closer than I've seen in articles and tv snips. (Bill Geist did a good job, too, with his CBS Sunday Morning bit, but he didn't go so far as to get into armor and participate in battles.)
It reads at times like a biography, a journey of self-actualization, a romance novel....and he hits the nail on the head for describing Pennsic, although I'm sure a lot of people will disagree. He was off by about half, on his number of vendors though. He indicated about 200 vendors at Pennsic, the actual count is over 400.
He gave a lot of background about Darkyard that I didn't know. I'm not certain that household will universally embrace everything he said about it, but it seems quite accurate.
I couldn't stop reading, I wanted to see what he was going to experience next! :-) It helped me see the SCA through the eyes of a newbie again (and that's been a Looooooong time).
I would encourage groups to purchase this book and keep it in their files to loan to new folk (keep close track of it, you might not get it back!). It's not totally a glowing review and recommendation of us, and that I found especially rewarding, although he enjoyed his time with us and the world we are striving to re-create, he took a pretty even-handed approach to us, identifying our strengths more often than our weaknesses. He compares and contrasts what we do to those stricter re-enactment groups in Britain (like Regia Anglorum). Fascinating reading. He did end up on a very positive note though. I won't give it away for you, but I can't wait for more of you to read it so we can talk about it!!
Rating: Summary: The Knights Next Door Review: Let me begin by saying that I am a member of both the Society For Creative Anachronism (the SCA) and The Association For Renaissance Martial Arts (the ARMA). As a member of both, even if just cursory with the SCA, I feel I am in a good position to be a decent judge of how close the author's depiction of these two organizations comes to the reality I know.
Patrick O'Donnell certainly takes an interesting approach with the SCA by slowly getting into the depth of each subject by telling the personal stories of several of its more noteworthy members. This is done through the author's eyes as someone new to the "Society," as it is often called. In many places the book is a collection of individual stories that come together at different times to complete the circle of what he is trying to bring across. In doing that he places a very human face on the SCA, which is the most common theme throughout. I think that accurately captures the true flavor of the SCA, as it is a very strong socially knit organization.
The social aspects are presented in depth as he details the time and effort spent in the recreation of that most important fantasy persona-the role-playing at the heart of what the SCA is all about. Here he painstakingly goes through the trial and tribulations of players as they attempt linkage to the past, while bringing in romanticized escapism and dreams of their youth. The research explained is very heavily concentrated on the history and culture of a particular time and place. They try and find accuracy in their clothing, arts, crafts, and social interactions. Story after story of their search leans in a direction often relating more to a study of historic behavior, than to one of true historic mechanics.
The book takes the reader through the SCA world by describing personal stories of many of the better known and largest gatherings held. I have been to several of these, and I found his unique presentation of the sights, sounds and experiences totally and completely accurate. If the book commits any great sins, I see them on the side of omission, rather than commission. For instance, it completely ignores and never talks about any aspects of the Renaissance, favoring instead the Medieval era and all of the stories and individuals in the book have early period personas. So the only kind of fighting described is of the full armored heavy weapons type from the late Roman world to around 1300. There is no mention of the later civilian rapier simulation, my own whole and only reason for being associated with the SCA. As a result, a very large part of the SCA world was not even presented. Perhaps given the book's title this was intentional.
One other problem area that I was most interested in is the descriptions of the SCA fighting throughout the book. I found the author to be reasonably accurate in what he describes, but I sensed he didn't have enough of the proper background to do a complete job of it. As a consequence several important omissions and poor comparisons are made. For instance, the SCA fighting is presented as being quite realistic mostly due to being compared to another fantasy group, Dagorhir, that only uses foam covered padded weapons for touch-combat filled with magical spells and pretend powers. For someone who may only be able to relate realism through what has been seen on TV and in the movies, the SCA would indeed appear to be the "real" thing. As the author probably falls right in there with the rest of the mainstream population, it is hard to fault him just on that. Besides, he is just about to become more enlightened.
About two thirds of the way through the book some background history and foundational beginnings of the SCA are explored. It mentions the interests within the Society have shifted more away from the fantasy of its earlier days towards generally a more historic approach. However, there is an important noted exception. The book also states; "As the fighting developed, winning the day's tournament became more of a goal than strictly testing what people did centuries earlier." With this statement the author begins to introduce to the reader that all may not be as realistic as it first appears to be. He continues on and states that, "As a result, SCA fighting has several critics who deride it as `stickfighting' and scoff at how its rules tread a no mans land between reality and make-believe."
It is at this point in the book, just before a section titled "Keep the play version separate...", that first introduces the ARMA and John Clements as critics of the SCA method of fighting. He goes on to say that, "ARMA bases all of its fighting moves off of translated historic manuals as members try to recreate those to the letter, unlike SCA fighting which simply evolved."
At the beginning of this section Mr. Clements is quoted saying that, "My view is that the SCA has done as much to harm and retard the study of European martial arts as it has to promote research in the subject." While ARMA members understand clearly what this means and the reasons behind such a statement, it may seem quite hash to dedicated members of the SCA. Being a little impatient, I would have liked a follow up explanation at this point on how the SCA method often promotes the Hollywood version of the stereotypical and haphazard bludgeoning of opponents, rather than the more precise and refined methods we know to have been practiced. However, patience is rewarded as one reads on a little further down the page. This point is actually brought across in an inverse manner. By using quotes and paraphrases from the interview the author goes on to present a case for what ARMA does right, instead of what the SCA gets wrong.
"ARMA's goal, Clements says, is to recreate one-on-one medieval combat as accurately as possible using the extant texts as the starting point." While describing some of these early texts, the author further emphasizes this legitimate claim of historical accuracy by including the quote, "Here's how a guy in the 1300s says how he fought". Other important distinctions from the SCA are brought to light by explaining that ARMA is disconnected from all the pageantry, tournaments and competition that are so important in the SCA world. Mr. Clements is again quoted, "As soon as you start trying to score points, you turn it from a martial art to a martial sport." The author also adds that ARMA does see the SCA as a legitimate martial sport, but also emphasizes the point of John using the word "sport" and that "It's just not historical."
From here the book gets more specific on the problem areas of SCA fighting as seen by ARMA. One is that the use of sticks to replicate swords teaches one to club rather than to cut. The rounded off geometry eliminates the edges all together and hence the necessity of learning angles and true edge control, one of the primary considerations in a real fight. Then by disallowing strikes below the knees, fighters do not have to be concerned about a historically prime target area. As such their defense is freed from that zone which significantly removes many realistic tactics and decreases the distances between fighters. As a result they engage at a much closer distance than they would have historically, reducing the need to develop the correct movements and footwork. It is pointed out that fighting at a close range is not bad in itself, except for the fact the SCA does not allow many common close in tactics, such as grappling and "halfswording".
To round off those issues the author brings up the rule that if SCA fighters get hit in a leg, they can go down and keep fighting on their knees. The response from Mr. Clements is, "That's got to be the most absurd thing we've ever seen.... There's not a single account of anybody getting hit in the legs and then sitting down and fighting." He then brings this part to a conclusion by stating, "Get off your knees and allow people to hit your foot. That would change everything."
From here the book goes into more specific detail of why ARMA firmly believes that correct edge geometry, sword technique, grappling, period correct simulators and armor are so important to getting it right. It is mentioned that most SCA fighters can only imagine what real swords feel and handle like, while most ARMA members don't need to guess, they already know because it is a part of their standard training to know.
Nearing the end of the interview the author gives a post introduction to the ARMA by stating, "ARMA picked up steam under the name Historically Accurate Combat Association in the mid-1990s toward becoming recognized experts on true historical fighting." He includes that although Mr. Clements hopes ARMA can set the standards for other groups to follow, "coming up with a system easily accessible to the masses is probably hopeless." John continues a little further down, "I don't believe you can have a play version that is anything more than a play version... We should keep the play version separate and the real thing separate."
The interview ends in an attempt at balance by basically stating that many SCA fighters do see advantages and disadvantages to both schools of fighting. The plus side to the SCA method comes across pretty clearly, but I feel the positive attributes of the ARMA approach could have been explained better in his brief summation of it. I don't think he meant to short change the ARMA method, he just left out some relevant information that would have made a more valid comparison.
For example, he states that "Although ARMA members duel each other, they do not use full contact. Its fights establish no pecking order and though fighters battle "in earnest" - as Clements puts it - they never have anything on the line." [Actually, ARMA fighters do not "duel" we conduct sparring as one tool to improve our skill and ability-we spar to get good at historical techniques, not good at contests -Ed.]
Although I find the author's statement true and a positive attribute, the implication here and in other places throughout the book, is that the SCA is full contact sparring. This has not been my experience and although I do not fight `heavy' in the SCA, I have asked this question to those that do. Strong blows are indeed used, especially against shields and heavily armored opponents, but they are pulled in regard to sensitive target areas. By often omitting to mention that throughout the book, as well as specific rules for safety, limited targets and important distinctions between weapon simulators, he doesn't always offer a fair comparison in my opinion. Fortunately the previous pages are full of accurate information introduced by John Clements and well captured by the author.
It must be added that historically, students of any serious fighting art trained by engaging in mock combat as preparation for self-defense in real encounters, not pretend contests. And as many Asian martial arts do, ARMA fighting indeed trains constantly in full contact strikes and uses full contact in its sparring when it can be safely applied for non-lethal moves.
One area that the author presents in the advantage category for the SCA is the simple mass of humanity they can often field at any one time, sometimes numbering in the thousands. This is seen as a clear advantage in recreating actual battlefield tactics and massed close quarter combat (excluding horses and massed missile fire of course). So, what they may lack in accuracy on the individual level, they make up for with their practice of battlefield strategy and tactics, an area that ARMA does not pursue. It is also mentioned that the belief by some of historical accuracy can simply be seen in photos taken of them in mock combat and comparing them to historical artwork of combat. I could rephrase that to be similar to, if it walks something like a duck and talks like a duck... etc.
To summarize I find that taken as a whole, the book is incomplete at capturing the entirety of what the SCA is all about. However, as a slice of social life with specific focus on the groups highlighted, I find the book very accurate at capturing the SCA experience. To the author's credit, he adds balance by including alternate viewpoints and methodology from several other medieval re-enactment groups (not a part of this review) and one historical European martial arts organization, the ARMA.
As a member of the ARMA my primary interest and focus in this review was on how well the ARMA and the practices of the ARMA were presented in Director John Clements' interview. Although I was not present at that phone interview, by my familiarity with ARMA beliefs and practices and by knowing John personally I felt I could be a decent judge if his words and the views of the ARMA had been twisted, or misused. I can honestly say that I was impressed by the author's description of our methodology and in the context in which it and John's interview was presented. I found it refreshingly accurate with just a few minor quibbles, such as the constant misspelling of John's last name as Clement instead of Clements.
I thought some clear and important distinctions were made in the book, that I was hoping to see presented. What came through to me was simply that the SCA is a highly social organization about inclusion and having fun. Being completely historically accurate with the combat aspects is just not their primary motivator, where with the ARMA, as a historical fencing club, that is the sole concern and driver behind research and training. With one group one learns how to play a game with historical trappings, and the other, how to fight historically. Each to their own.
Rating: Summary: The Knights Next Door Review: Well written, entertaining, and very informative for anyone who is considering joining, or is new to the SCA. Especially if you live in or near the Midrealm. It's a fairly well balanced view of the society, showcasing the heavy fighters who determine the Kingship of the realm, to the Arts and Sciences that add depth to the background and artistry to the passtime. This book will be a valuable addition to your local library or own bookshelf.
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