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Rating: Summary: Nothing New Review: Much as I hate an argument, I must point out that the previous reviewer is seriously misinformed if he thinks that the material in this book was in some way new or different from the original NLP. Terrence McCLendon, writing in "The Wild Days : NLP 1972-1981" explains in detail how Bandler and Grinder discovered Castaneda's work (the basis of "New Code" NLP) in 1974, and quickly incorporated various ideas - especially "stopping the world" - into their teaching at that time. Personally I found this book badly written and tedious in the extreme. So nothing new, and definitely not recommended.
Rating: Summary: school cafeteria left-overs at a steak-house price Review: First, let me say I own most of the NLP books and highly esteem John Grinder & Richard Bandler. NLP is amazing stuff. TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, on the other-hand, is, to use a re-frame, left-overs from the NLP School Cafeteria with a steak-house price. This one is going into the garbage where school cafeteria swill belongs. Don't waste your time or your money on it. Buy the other NLP books! This one won't make you a champ, and you won't feel like a chump.
Rating: Summary: school cafeteria left-overs at a steak-house price Review: First, let me say I own most of the NLP books and highly esteem John Grinder & Richard Bandler. NLP is amazing stuff. TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, on the other-hand, is, to use a re-frame, left-overs from the NLP School Cafeteria with a steak-house price. This one is going into the garbage where school cafeteria swill belongs. Don't waste your time or your money on it. Buy the other NLP books! This one won't make you a champ, and you won't feel like a chump.
Rating: Summary: Make that 3 1/2 Stars... Review: Had I known beforehand this was a transcription of a 5 day seminar, I probably would not have purchased the book. With that said, I'm glad its now part of my library. The 3 1/2 stars is only due to fact that this type of book is the kind that is best suited for a detailed Table of Contents and/or index. There is no index here, and the contents page is limited to what day of the seminar they were in. The content is excellent however. To quote the back of the book: "Rich with humor and metaphors from other cultures and disciplines, 'Turtles All the Way Down' develops the characteristics common to the geniuses whose patterning formed the initial body of NLP techniques. ... You will learn how the skills of genius are readily available for cultivating your own personal excellence in a way that is respectful of the power of the unconscious." One thing I especially liked was the liberal use of ideas and quotes from (most notably) Carlos Castenada, and Gregory Bateson among others, to add to the understanding of the material. In one section when discussing the Incompleteness Theorem for Representation; Grinder goes from Gregory Bateson, to Kurt Godel, to Ken Kesey, Neal Cassady and finally Monty Python's Flying Circus to discuss the concept. Lets just say its not been a boring read.
Rating: Summary: PLEASE REPRINT THIS Review: I have read dozens of self-help, and nlp books. The purity of the information presented in Turtles is unprecedented. John and Judy drill down to the lowest common denominator, distilling all the concepts they present into simple, yet profound concepts. This is a must-read for anyone who is truly searching for deeper meaning. The only thing I can say that may have a negative tone is that the world lost something powerful when Grinder and Bandler got too important individually to continue to impact the world jointly. E-mail me at dnaflow@tca.net
Rating: Summary: It's the journey, not the destination Review: John Grinder and Judith Delozier provide the reader with a journey through one of their seminars. It wakes you up to your life. Or, more accurately, it can. I have read almost every NLP in print and pretty much all of the ones out of print. I hold certifications in NLP and Ericksonian Hypnosis as well a my Unversity education as an anthropologist. I found this book a bit of a stretch for my vocabulary, and a wonderful journey through a series of highly transformative experiences. Read it with your mind open and do the drills and you will find your life changing.
Rating: Summary: Nothing New Review: The term "new code" refers to 1987, when this book came out. At that time, the ideas in this book departed quite strongly from the orginal "mechanistic" NLP framework. Today, some of the messages from this book still aren't "integrated" in mainstream NLP (which is a "buy" reason). Focus of this book lies on perceptual positions; trusting your unconcious (+ focussing your attention), and working with patterns (+ how to interrupt them). These are 3 messages that Grinder still stresses today (in 2001) and thet influenced my own thinking when I wrote "7 steps to Emotional Intelligence". Grinder still trains the material of this book on a regular basis in France (see www.....com) - reading this book is the "next best thing" if you can't make it to Paris. That said, to mine this book's content, you'd better have studied some NLP first: given that it is a transscript of a typical Grinder/Delozier workshop, structure isn't one of its strongest points...
Rating: Summary: Impeccable Internal Organizational Patterning Review: Turtles is a book for people already exposed in some degree to the basic tenets of NLP. It is not "about" NLP, but how to create logical structures and frameworks within yourself to employ these (and other) tools in a most effective and ecological manner. A great deal of emphasis is placed on applying the right energy to the right "logical level". Often, people are making the right move in a situation, but applying that move to the wrong logical level. This book is about identifying logical levels and having an internal structure that allows you to interface at the right time at the right logical level with the right change- the minimum effort that makes the maximum difference. Grinder is a master storyteller given his exceptional background, and he winds the teachings around interesting and compelling stories from his and other fascinating folks' experiences. Worth the read even if you never learned anything about NLP. Grinder's a cool dude! :)
Rating: Summary: Impeccable Internal Organizational Patterning Review: Turtles is a book for people already exposed in some degree to the basic tenets of NLP. It is not "about" NLP, but how to create logical structures and frameworks within yourself to employ these (and other) tools in a most effective and ecological manner. A great deal of emphasis is placed on applying the right energy to the right "logical level". Often, people are making the right move in a situation, but applying that move to the wrong logical level. This book is about identifying logical levels and having an internal structure that allows you to interface at the right time at the right logical level with the right change- the minimum effort that makes the maximum difference. Grinder is a master storyteller given his exceptional background, and he winds the teachings around interesting and compelling stories from his and other fascinating folks' experiences. Worth the read even if you never learned anything about NLP. Grinder's a cool dude! :)
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