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And the Flag Was Still There: Straight People, Gay People, and Sexuality in the U.S. Military (Haworth Gay & Lesbian Studies)

And the Flag Was Still There: Straight People, Gay People, and Sexuality in the U.S. Military (Haworth Gay & Lesbian Studies)

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Rating: 1 stars
Summary: A masked modernist exposed in And the flag was still there.
Review: I was shocked that Lois Shawver who paints herself as representing the "TRUE POSTMODERN" would have written a book with such obvious underpinnings of a MODERNIST theory of sexuality, Kinsey (1948,1953).
As most readers know, Kinsey as Shawver has done in this book counterpoised heterosexuality and homosexuality on a single bipolar continum, which ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality, creating a kind of "zero sum game," in which the more one is hetereosexual, the less one is homosexual, and vice versa.
At the outset, the lack of clarification of the terms "hetersexual", "bisexual", and "homsexual" are much more complicated than thier casual usage by Shawver. Perhaps this book and the obvious modernist underpinnings shed light on the assault led by Lois Schawver on gay lesbian and bisexual participants in the Marriage Family Therapy online community. This book leads to the forcing out and osterization of homosexuals within thier communities with the alternatives left after shedding the current don't ask don't tell policy in effect.


Rating: 5 stars
Summary: I found this book to be interesting and totally truthful.
Review: Clinical psychologist Shawver has probed the nature of our military policies towards gays and lesbians in the military with uncanny precision<LB> The book appeared at the time President Clinton decided to fink out on the issue, hoping to appease everybody<LB>Issue by issue she explores the myths, her unruffled, calm manner contributing strength to her argument that these military policies are absurd and wrongfully prejudicial<LB>Among these erroneous assumptions are that "false modesty" prevails between straight and gay men as it does between women and men; gays corrupt the "national moral tone" and damage national defense; gays like anonymous sex more than straights do, etc. <LB>Shawver envisions a new military were gays and lesbians are full-fledged members<LB>The policy of pretending there are no homosexuals in the military (the don't ask, don't tell policy) is "a festering wound in our culture...hyprocisy"<LB>

I am moved by Shawver's arguments, and that she is a heterosexual reflects the enlightened attitudes for a non-gay, non-discriminating person to have<LB> All who seek to be informed on this painful issue must read AND THE FLAG WAS STILL THERE<LB>

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: I enjoyed reading it and it was informative.
Review: I decided to comment on this book after readig the critical review of it on this site. Like that reviewer, personally I was not interested in the footnotes, but I didn't turn to the end of the book to read them. But I did like the stories from her interviews with a number of gays and lesbians in the military, that showed how they felt in their dealings with straights, with the army, and with the pressure of the army's rules.

I thought the book was worth reading for me. I have a gay relative who wanted me to look at the book and I think it has helped me understand him and his world better. I enjoyed reading it and it was helpful for me so I highly recommend it.

Rating: 1 stars
Summary: I bought this book by mistake.
Review: This book is very funny. For all the wrong reasons. One sentence: "To look at the homosexual and say he or she is unnatural is like looking at an unconventionally clipped poodle or even an unclipped poodle and seeing that as unnatural." Uh-huh. Required reading for anyone into uncut poodles.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: I found this book to be interesting and totally truthful.
Review: This book was the best book I've read in years. I would reccomend it to any gay or lesbian who was considering going into the military.


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