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Waco - The Rules of Engagement

Waco - The Rules of Engagement

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Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Whose rules?
Review: The incredible amount of video footage taken at the time of the Waco massacre puts the lie to the government's version.

One of the last visions you are left with is of three young children smiling at a videocamera before they are brutally and callously gassed and burnt to death by officials of the US government.

The Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms led an unwarranted, unjustified and prejudicial assault on a bunch of people who may have thought differently and held divergent beliefs but essentially held the right to do so.

The Bureau failed to complete its murderous mission and the ever helpful FBI stepped in with tanks, guns and a cyanide based gas which they proceeded to ignite.

There was no suicide. No child abuse. No illegal firearms. Numerous witnesses, experts and the decision of the courts succinctly refute the claims of the authorities.

The footage is horrific and painful. But more revolting and compelling is the possibility that the Bureau was trying to drum up support for its Budget hearings.

This seems to be supported by footage of the Bureau's fully manned media centre contrasting starkly with a reported lack of communications with Koresh.

You may never feel the same about 911 again when you have heard the terrified voices of those inside a beseiged building as they beg for help and ask for their assailants to be called off...

"We have women and children in here"

The footage has echoes of Tiananmen square in its boys-toys tanks and of the assault on Iraq with its pretty, murderous helicopters.

However, the most vivid and current comparison is with the Columbine tragedy. Both incidents involved innocent victims and men in black with guns and an unassailable belief in their right to kill whoever they "chose"

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: You need to see this film
Review: When you think of Waco, you probably think, "that's where all the wackos live..." right? Freaks and weirdos. Why, it's worse than California! When you think of David Koresh and the Branch Davidians you probably think, "head nutjob who brainwashed a group of religious fanatics to kill themselves..." Am I right? I admit I thought the same thing. Considering the press coverage we were being fed, is it any wonder? I remember one of the major networks was busy creating a Waco movie before the standoff even ended.

Listen to the tapes of the negotiations between the FBI and the compound members. Watch the tapes and see the footage from numerous sources showing how highly flammable and combustible CS gas was injected into the compound. And most damning of all, watch the FLIR tapes that show FBI agents firing automatic weapons on the compound as the gas was set ablaze.

Opinions may vary, and that's the purpose of intelligent debate, but it's the opinion of this viewer that Waco was not an incident, but a massacre -- a deliberate and premeditated assassination performed by our government against our own people. Even more disturbing is how our elected officials, after having viewed the same footage in congressional hearings, moved swiftly to dismiss any possibility that the FBI acted in error.

Think I'm exaggerating or overreacting? Then you need to see this film.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: FBI revenge killing
Review: A friend of mine worked for Austin police departement once.
He told me that highway patrol people have one unwritten rule:
"if you kill a trooper you are basically dead - you may try to
surrender and walk out with your hands up they will still shoot
you and then testify you resisted arrest". Same was true about
Waco. The minute they killed first ATF agent they were as good
as dead. The DVD does marvelous job documenting coverup on the
part of FBI and the government. It should be required material
in every US high school.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Watch It Critically...But Watch It
Review: This is a shocking and disturbing movie. Watching it, you get the sense that the ATF and FBI missed no opportunity to screw up at Waco, and to lie about it afterwards. Neither did the politicians who investigated it. Did they? I'll have to learn more about it before I decide.

Since I don't really know any details about Waco that were not presented in this movie, it's impossible for me to judge it in terms of its accuracy. It is possible that the filmmakers chose the most damning footage from the Senate hearings, and various Waco "experts." Chuck Schumer, John Conyers, Shiela Jackson, Joseph Biden...they come off sounding like apologists for what (if this movie is correct) is the worst slaughter of American citizens by its government since Wounded Knee. Now, knowing Schumer, and his smarmy, arrogant, ideological self-righteousness, and Conyers' mindless gun-hating knee-jerk liberalism, and Janet Reno's, well, daffiness, this wouldn't necessarily be hard to believe.

But still, it is...I mean, the evidence in this movie seems SO compelling, and so heart-wrenching, that Schumer and company would have to be barbarians not to want to hold the responsible parties accountable. Were Democrats merely trying to insulate the Clinton administration from blame? It seems to stretch plausibilty that even the likes of Schumer would try to excuse mass murder. Who knows. Not I.

Some compelling facts surface in this movie. Remarkably, the ATF refused an invitation from Koresh to inspect his licensed weaponry. Instead, for some reason, they chose to serve him with a search warrant by showing up with truckloads of heavily-armed agents, helicopters, and so forth. It remains unclear who fired first. The Davidians insist the ATF did. The ATF insists the Davidians did. While it's possible the filmmakers were biased, there do seem to be some pretty irrefutable facts suggesting the government lied...and lied wildly. In fact, at one point we hear a negotiator lying to Koresh, over and over, about the presence of gun on one of the helicopters that fired on Davidians. The negotiator insists that there were no guns on the helicopter, and Koresh keeps telling him he saw them firing on him and the others. Finally the negotiator admits that the agents on the helicopter were armed, but there were no MOUNTED guns on the helicopter...like that makes all the difference. Also, infrared film seems to show FBI agents firing into a burning building as they back away, and as Davidians burn to death inside that building...yet they claim they never fired a single shot.

Local law enforcement spoke highly of Koresh. He certainly doesn't seem to be the child-molesting, whacked-out, violent drug dealing crminial that the government made him out to be in order to head off criticism for their attack. He and the rest of the Davidians are odd, yes, but the Davidians that the filmmakers present are not the brainwashed cult members they've been made out to be. Does being odd, and owning a lot of guns warrant having the ATF stomp all over you? Are we not supposed to, uh, celebrate diversity?

The movie implies--or interviews people who imply--that there was a government conspiracy to murder the Davidians. I remain unconvinced. The massacre at Waco seems like a series of mistakes (understandable in tense, dangerous situations, if not excuseable), and cover-ups.

This movie is a must-see. Watch it critically...but watch it.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Very Disturbing, Things Haven't Changed Much
Review: As with many reviewers, I sat down to watch this movie having been exposed to the mainstream media spin. However, after listening to blatant government lies (i.e. "I repeat, the FBI didn't shoot at anyone"), which were contradicted by FLIR footage, and after hearing about crucial evidence that conveniently vanished; I no longer view our federal government with the same sense of trust that I once did.

As one Delta Commando aptly pointed out, the ATF was so poorly prepared that they didn't even have a medical backup waiting in case anything went wrong (the news people had to call for help!). As a retired NYC police officer, I can tell you that this is the signature of absolute and utter incompetence. The people in charge obviously didn't know what they were doing and I wouldn't be surprised if the Feds actually did start the gun battle. They were probably a bunch of tobacco-chewing good-old-boys and yahoos who thought they could get away with shooting first and asking questions later. Perhaps this is how they do it in Texas; it sure is hell isn't how I did it in Brooklyn.

Finally, there was no need to bring out tanks and gas. Anyone who's studied the history of seige warfare knows that it's often easier simply to wait out your adversary. Most of the large-scale seiges that were won in the middle ages were done in this manner. Let them run out of food and supplies and then allow them to surrender (or starve if they would rather). This option is far less destructive and could have saved lives on both sides.

Oh no, the ATF and the FBI couldn't take this route. They had something to prove to the world. Defying the federal government is a capital offense, and anyone who defends themselves in their own homes after being fired upon should be made an example.

The evidence, in short, is damning. Having lived, and worked, through the 60s; I would have guessed that this type of shoddy cover-up went out of style when nut-jobs like J. Edgar Hoover died. I guess not.

People might think that something like Tiananmen Square would never happen here. The passage of the Patriot Act will probably herald more Wacos.

The Government is not necessarily your friend.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Very Disturbing, Things Haven't Changed Much
Review: As with many reviewers, I sat down to watch this movie having been exposed to the mainstream media spin. However, after listening to blatant government lies (i.e. "I repeat, the FBI didn't shoot at anyone"), which were contradicted by FLIR footage, and after hearing about crucial evidence that conveniently vanished; I no longer view our federal government with the same sense of trust that I once did.

As one Delta Commando aptly pointed out, the ATF was so poorly prepared that they didn't even have a medical backup waiting in case anything went wrong (the news people had to call for help!). As a retired NYC police officer, I can tell you that this is the signature of absolute and utter incompetence. The people in charge obviously didn't know what they were doing and I wouldn't be surprised if the Feds actually did start the gun battle. They were probably a bunch of tobacco-chewing good-old-boys and yahoos who thought they could get away with shooting first and asking questions later. Perhaps this is how they do it in Texas; it sure is hell isn't how I did it in Brooklyn.

Finally, there was no need to bring out tanks and gas. Anyone who's studied the history of seige warfare knows that it's often easier simply to wait out your adversary. Most of the large-scale seiges that were won in the middle ages were done in this manner. Let them run out of food and supplies and then allow them to surrender (or starve if they would rather). This option is far less destructive and could have saved lives on both sides.

Oh no, the ATF and the FBI couldn't take this route. They had something to prove to the world. Defying the federal government is a capital offense, and anyone who defends themselves in their own homes after being fired upon should be made an example.

The evidence, in short, is damning. Having lived, and worked, through the 60s; I would have guessed that this type of shoddy cover-up went out of style when nut-jobs like J. Edgar Hoover died. I guess not.

People might think that something like Tiananmen Square would never happen here. The passage of the Patriot Act will probably herald more Wacos.

The Government is not necessarily your friend.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: I Was 100% Wrong In 1993
Review: The ATF agents in Waco that day acted like the stumbling bumbling keystone cops.I had no idea how horrible our government had acted that day thanks to the cover up by the media.This movie shows without a shadow of a doubt that the government killed these people and then lied to cover it up.Chuck Schumer should be ashamed of himself for his part in squashing the congressional investigation.Schumer and his fellow congreeman saw even better and more clear evidence then this movie and came to the conclusion that nothing wrong happened.Watch the movie and then decide how honest he was about what happened.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: FBI revenge killing
Review: A friend of mine worked for Austin police departement once.
He told me that highway patrol people have one unwritten rule:
"if you kill a trooper you are basically dead - you may try to
surrender and walk out with your hands up they will still shoot
you and then testify you resisted arrest". Same was true about
Waco. The minute they killed first ATF agent they were as good
as dead. The DVD does marvelous job documenting coverup on the
part of FBI and the government. It should be required material
in every US high school.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Why look surprised?
Review: This documentary periodically is shown on TV and has been around since 1997. Yet it is new to someone every day. This is not a two thousand year old conspiracy. Those that survived on both sides are with us today.
We watch but do nothing to prevent the next atrocity.
This is the story of the Waco Massacre that never needed to happen. If the ATF even suspected David Koresh of spitting, they could have easily picked him up on the street in Waco instead of storming his home.
Then they could have saved face if they did not tell such blatant lies. It is not like everything was not captured on film.
Well I think enough is said you should watch this film and see for your self. It is well worth owning

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Mind-blowing, absolute must see documentary!
Review: Anyone who watches this documentary and says this is nothing but a pack of lies is nothing short of a moron. I have no respect for anyone who believes the US government was in the right regarding how WACO was handled....you are basically an uneducated idiot if you think otherwise. I went into this believing that David Koresh and his followers were a bunch of retarded cultists, who believed David Koresh was the messiah. Well guess what? I still believe that. BUT, that doesn't mean what happened to them at WACO was nothing short of mass murder at the hands of the US government.

This documentary is mind-blowing and sickening at the same time. I cannot understand why the ATF and the FBI did what they did to that compound with all those children in it. And of course they lied about pretty much everything and covered up the entire event by "losing" evidence, and completely DESTROYING the crime scene. Watch this documentary and judge for yourself. It is presented in all fairness, with both sides equally represented. The evidence presented is factual. I can say that because it is backed up by numerous qualified persons, including medical examiners and video experts.

This should be required viewing for every high school student before they graduate. I don't write too many reviews, but watching this filmed moved me to say something, anything, to get more Americans to watch this documentary. We owe it to ourselves and our country to keep this place in check. I love this country, but this is exactly the kind of crap that is going to send it down the tubes. Watch this and have your eyes opened. The media's coverage of this event in '93 made me believe a completely different set of events went down at WACO. I now believe what is presented in this film to be the ugly truth. Nobody is saying that Koresh wasn't a deranged, nutcake....but the people in that building DID NOT DESERVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM!

WATCH THIS NOW!


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